Who's Crashed? [Crash Reports]

Becktastic · Post by **Becktastic** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:18 am

MrMango wrote:I won't be quite so eager to be right out the gate on the green and make sure no one is running a yellow/red.

I know it's hard. The Buddy is just so dang quick off the line. I like to leave sports cars in the dust

but your post is a reminder to be more careful

Glad you weren't hurt too bad!

And welcome to the forum

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:10 am

Something that occurred to me as I looked at the MOTGMOTT thread ... would it make sense to add a "What type of protective gear were you wearing at the time of the crash?" question?

You might be too far into this thread for changes, but I thought perhaps this could lead to some type of injuries vs. protective gear correlation.

Just a thought.

Rob

Post by **ericalm** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:29 pm

Rob wrote:Something that occurred to me as I looked at the MOTGMOTT thread ... would it make sense to add a "What type of protective gear were you wearing at the time of the crash?" question?

You might be too far into this thread for changes, but I thought perhaps this could lead to some type of injuries vs. protective gear correlation.

Just a thought.

Rob

I'd meant to add that change some time ago. Oops.

THE QUESTIONS:

[Please describe your crash and the circumstances when it occurred.]
1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?
4. Was the rider injured? What type of protective gear or clothing was the rider wearing?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?

Anachronism · Post by **Anachronism** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:14 am

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?

Buddy 50

2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?

Yes, about 5:30, late afternoon.

3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?

I hit a patch of sand/road salt around a turn and dumped. At least that is what it looked like- I have memory loss regarding the accident itself. I've been a LOT more timid riding since.

4. Was the rider injured? What type of protective gear or clothing was the rider wearing?

Yes, I received a moderate concussion and had post concussive symptoms for about 9 days after the accident. I don't remember the accident or what led up to it (I remember getting on the bike leaving a store to head back home and the next thing I remember is being on the ground in a world of pain).

In addition to the concussion, I tore my right biceps tendon and my deltoid muscle over the shoulder.

I was wearing a leather jacket, jeans, and a full face helmet. The witness said that I got thrown face first into the pavement, hence the concussion. If I wasn't wearing a helmet, or even one that didn't have face protection, I may not have survived.

5. What was the damage to the Buddy?

Amazingly, almost nothing. The center kickstand was a little bent, the chrome headlight ring lost a bit of chrome, I broke a mirror, and the brake lever got some road rash along with minor, minor scratches below the foot floor.

6. Cost of repairs, if any?

I haven't replaced any of the cosmetic parts, and I bent the kickstand back into place.

7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?

I've ridden bicycles (the pedal kind) competitively and doing long distance tours (ride the rockies, etc) for many years, typically about a thousand miles a summer. I'd ridden a moped for a year before I bought the Buddy, and have 1,500 miles on the Buddy.

I do not have a motorcycle endorsement.

8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?

No

9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?

Yes

10. How fast was the rider going?

Don't know. Probably no more than 30.

11. How far was the rider from home?

2 blocks away.

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If there is a lesson here, it is think seriously about your headwear. Around here, I see everyone wearing half helmets if they wear one at all. Honestly, the main reason I was wearing a full helmet is that it is cold outside. If I was wearing a skid lid, I would probably have a broken jaw at best, and could be dead from brain injury at worst.

KRUSTYburger · Post by **KRUSTYburger** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:45 pm

Oooo... that sucks. especially for your first post! Hope your muscles and tendons heal up quickly, I know it can take a while til they get back to normal.

Post by **ericalm** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:29 pm

Anachronism, sorry to hear about the crash—your first post, too—but thanks for posting that. I often hear the argument "why do I need to wear whatever gear on a 50 or if I'm only going 30mph" and this perfectly illustrates the reason.

Glad you weren't more severely injured and good to hear the Buddy was barely damaged!

broke · Post by **broke** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:28 am

Anachronism wrote:If there is a lesson here, it is think seriously about your headwear.

Thank you for posting about your crash so others can read about it. I hope the best for your recovery.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:13 pm

Anachronism--heal well! Sorry to hear about your crash!

mayra · Post by **mayra** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:49 pm

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
Pink 50
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
Yes, 7:55 am (rode knowing there'd be ice on the road)
3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?
Yes, it could... there was still ice on the road so I will not ride when these are the road conditions.
4. Was the rider injured? What type of protective gear or clothing was the rider wearing?
Bruises on legs/knees and sprained neck. Helmet, gloves and jacket.
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
not anything noticeable. my husband rode it home and didn't feel anything weird.
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
none
7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?
1 year and 1 month. No motorcycle endorsement
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
no
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
yes
10. How fast was the rider going?
no more than 5 mph
11. How far was the rider from home?
1.5 miles from home.

basically it snowed over the weekend and most of the snow had melted and i thought it'd be warm enough today to not worry about the ice. There was a bit of ice on the road in the left turn i make to get into my job's parking lot and when i went, the scooter went out under me landing on top of my knees, legs.. i felt like i'd been there forever but no one got out of their car to help so i got up and brushed myself off, picked up the scooter and walked it the rest of the way across the street. I went into work but after about a half hour, i started hurting real bad. i must have hit my head on the pavement because my neck got sprained.

stupid mistake.

Post by **ericalm** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:29 am

Mayra,

Sorry to hear about the crash! I know firsthand that even a minor spill can cause some serious pain. Hope you're doing okay.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:28 pm

Sorry to hear it, Mayra. Take care of yourself--knees and necks tend to stay hurt a long time (in my experience).

mayra · Post by **mayra** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:41 pm

thanks! right now i'm taking some good meds so i only get really sore when they wear off... i'm trying to keep moving so it's not so bad.

jrsjr · Post by **jrsjr** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:25 pm

mayra wrote:thanks! right now i'm taking some good meds so i only get really sore when they wear off... i'm trying to keep moving so it's not so bad.

Oh no, my fellow Midlothian rider down!

I'm so sorry to hear you fell, but I'm glad your gear did its job and kept you from worse injury. Give your neck plenty of time to heal. Neck injuries can be kinda tricky with new problems showing up after a couple days and such.

Again, glad you weren't injured any worse!

mayra · Post by **mayra** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:34 pm

jrsjr wrote:
mayra wrote:thanks! right now i'm taking some good meds so i only get really sore when they wear off... i'm trying to keep moving so it's not so bad.
Oh no, my fellow Midlothian rider down!

yeah i am so thankful it didn't happen on midlothian and that the people behind me didn't run me over after i fell. Everyone is usually in such a rush in the AM.

JasonH · Post by **JasonH** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:46 pm

This happened literally the day I got my scooter home last year, figured I would add it to the stats.

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?

Orange 125

2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
Yes, Mid-Day

3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?
Absolutely. I was testing an emergency stop on a private road with a light stones sprinkled about.

4. Was the rider injured? What type of protective gear or clothing was the rider wearing?

Only a little scrape, but it would have been a very bad hit to my chin if I didnt have a full-face helmet.. A full-face helmet, that is all.

5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
broken plastic headset, very smalll scrapes.

6. Cost of repairs, if any?

I just taped it up. I would estimate about 200 bucks parts and labor

7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have?
Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?

Zero experience, permit only.

8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
nope, i still plan on taking it though, this spring definitely, its free in NJ

9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
yes indeed
10. How fast was the rider going?
Aproximately 20-30mph before I slammed the breaks

11. How far was the rider from home?
Right down the street

MrsLatch · Post by **MrsLatch** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:00 am

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color? blue rough house 50
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur? yes, 9 at night
3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time? yes, look for sand
4. Was the rider injured? What type of protective gear or clothing was the rider wearing? scratches down my shin, gravel in my palm, i was wearing a helmet
5. What was the damage to the Buddy? a few scrapes, i also broke screw housing to my blinker (front plastic) it isnt noticeable
6. Cost of repairs, if any? i was painting it any way
7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither? 1 year scoot esperience, no motorcycle licensing
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course? no
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner? yes
10. How fast was the rider going? 5
11. How far was the rider from home? 7 feet

my dumbass hit a patch of sand going to turn coming out of my apartment complex, just one more reason i hate snow.

M!ke · Post by **M!ke** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:17 am

Wow! Thanks for sharing all these!
I once had a friend who bought a Harley. 2 months later he was killed while riding down a state Route road going about 65-70. Witnesses say he lost control when a car pulled out in front of him. He tried to put his one leg down and ran off the road into a wire fence. He was dead at the scene. His leg was amputated and he had mutliple head trama ...... He was not wearing a helmet. He was an inexperianced rider.

Cheshire · Post by **Cheshire** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:21 am

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color? Black '08 125
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur? No. 2pm.
3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time? Never assume that just because there's nowhere to go, someone won't pull out and block the road
4. Was the rider injured? What type of protective gear or clothing was the rider wearing? Yes: road rash outside of right leg below knee, outside of right ankle, back right side of neck, bruised/abrasions right hip and light scuffing of back of right forearm. Only the below-knee and ankle need bandages.
Was wearing gloves, FF helmet, jacket. Figures the one day I don't wear my military boots....
5. What was the damage to the Buddy? right side scraped up, including headlight, body panels, and muffler. Pics to follow. I'll be getting it from the tow yard tomorrow.

6. Cost of repairs, if any? unknown as of yet. If I have to do it myself...probably won't. If I can get the other person's insurance to cover it, we'll see.
7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither? Month and a half motorized experience, permit.
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course? Not yet.
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner? yes.
10. How fast was the rider going? Probably around 20-30 mph.
11. How far was the rider from home? Guessing about 8-10 miles.

Will post more later. I'm still fuming about this...long story short: lady pulls out of a wendy's parking lot giving me 2 car lengths to work with. I hit the brakes, lay the bike down, bounce off her front bumper. Police and EMS insisted I get checked out, and I find out the next day that not only did no ticket get issued, but my scooter was determined to be in drivable condition AND THE POLICE STILL CALLED A TOW TRUCK.

Anyway...I'll probably vent in another thread. Suffice it to say my jacket is just about toast, but that's what it's for, right? And yeah...I really wish yesterday hadn't been the one day I forget the boots.

Post by **ericalm** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:11 am

Damn, Cheshire, sorry to hear about the crash. Glad you weren't more seriously injured and that you're still around to fume and vent.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:41 pm

Ouch, sorry to hear about that Cheshire. Especially so early in the game for you! Don't let it get you down, get back out and ride

Cheshire · Post by **Cheshire** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:15 pm

Oh, it ain't getting me down. The only reason I'm not jumping back on is my helmet took a hit. That's insta-retired equipment in my book.

That...and my girlfriend hasn't cleared me for riding again yet.

jrsjr · Post by **jrsjr** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:08 pm

EDIT: I see you posted a follow-up while I was taking my sweet time posting. Glad you're still okay. I wouldn't have been surpised if a few aches and pains had shown up after bouncing off that car. I'm also not surprised the cops didn't ticket that lady. There is this mentality among traffic cops that we riders are taking our chances out there on the road and, therefore, whatever happens to us is our own lookout. I can tell you with great certainty that they don't feel that way about motorcycle cops. Hit one of them and they'll be happy to write tickets until writer's cramp sets in.

That's life in the big city, I guess.

Anyway, hope you're back on the road with a big smile again soon. Tell the girlfriend that, unlike car wrecks, one motorcycle wreck seems to decrease the probability of a second wreck.

4everyoung · Post by **4everyoung** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:53 pm

1. Seafoam 125
2. No 1:30
3. NO Keep looking out for the other guy
4. Yes- cracked ribs, torn rotator cuff, bruised head of humerus, road rash
5. totalled
6 -
7. license 7 months
8 No -friend had taught me verbally of warnings and red motorcycle safety books.
9 Yes
10. 25-30 probably 30.
11. 60 miles

4everyoung · Post by **4everyoung** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:58 pm

The books I read were not red, but were read!

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:23 pm

Wow, heal up 4everyoung! Sorry to hear about the crash.

verdecalavera · Post by **verdecalavera** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:26 pm

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
150 Italia
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
my fault I did slide on a wet muddy road on which i was going faster than i should have for the condition, it was about 8:15 am
3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?
slow down for the condition
4. Was the rider injured? What type of protective gear or clothing was the rider wearing?
i went high side and broke the 5th metacarpal in my left hand on the landing. some scrapes, bruises.
i had corrazo gloves, full face helmet, armoured jacket, pants
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
scuffed up, bent brake lever
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
about 20 bucks for the lever
7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?
about 8 months, 1900 miles on my buddy, license
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
yes
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
yes
10. How fast was the rider going?
when i slid into the curb, i had been braking and probably gotten down below 10 mph
11. How far was the rider from home?
2 miles

broke · Post by **broke** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:54 pm

NOOOOOooooooooooooooooo! Sorry to hear about it verdecalavera!

So, "high side" means the bike stopped and you went over it... and "low side" means you and the bike both slide together? (usually with the bike on top of legs/ankles/feet...)

purromaniac · Post by **purromaniac** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:58 pm

Cheshire wrote:8. Had the rider completed the MSF course? Not yet.

lady pulls out of a wendy's parking lot giving me 2 car lengths to work with. I hit the brakes, lay the bike down, bounce off her front bumper.

Sorry about your accident, Cheshire. I hope you are well.

I believe Cheshire's accident shows the importance of taking the MSF course. They have you practice emergency stops. With the distance Cheshire had and the speed he was going, I bet he could have stopped without laying it down. I speak from experience. In my accident I had to stop with about the same speed and distance. I grabbed both brakes as hard as I could and hunkered down, KNOWING I would NOT lay the scooter down. Practice prepares you for the real thing.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:45 pm

broke wrote:NOOOOOooooooooooooooooo! Sorry to hear about it verdecalavera!

So, "high side" means the bike stopped and you went over it... and "low side" means you and the bike both slide together? (usually with the bike on top of legs/ankles/feet...)

Yep, highside is when you go over the bike, low side is when you go down with it.

verdecalavera · Post by **verdecalavera** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:38 pm

broke wrote:NOOOOOooooooooooooooooo! Sorry to hear about it verdecalavera!

So, "high side" means the bike stopped and you went over it... and "low side" means you and the bike both slide together? (usually with the bike on top of legs/ankles/feet...)

that is correct, i was lucky.

Cheshire · Post by **Cheshire** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:58 pm

purromaniac wrote:I believe Cheshire's accident shows the importance of taking the MSF course. They have you practice emergency stops. With the distance Cheshire had and the speed he was going, I bet he could have stopped without laying it down. I speak from experience. In my accident I had to stop with about the same speed and distance. I grabbed both brakes as hard as I could and hunkered down, KNOWING I would NOT lay the scooter down. Practice prepares you for the real thing.

While I do plan on taking the MSF course, I don't think this is the case. I had been practicing quick stops for a while, even tested the scoot a couple days ago to see if that was the case. The more I think about it, the more I think I was either not completely upright or on a slick spot in the road, or a bit of both. The scooter seemed to go down the second I hit the brakes....

Cheshire · Post by **Cheshire** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:00 pm

Sorry to hear, Verdecavalera!
I hope you're right-handed at least. That sucks.

Scooter Hoot · Post by **Scooter Hoot** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:02 pm

Depends - high side is a lot worse if you're at a decent speed. Namely because that means you have your scooter or bike going in generally the same direction right behind you, and you might or might not come to a stop faster than your bike. After crashing, having a 300 lb hunk of metal run into you again tends to not be all that fun. Also it tends to mean that you went flying further before you hit whatever it is that slows you down - road, tree, car, w/e.

Glad you were ok - no crash is a "good" one, only a less bad one.

LisaLisa · Post by **LisaLisa** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:34 pm

verdecalavera wrote: that is correct, i was lucky.

Saw the bike at the shop- I should have left a surprise in the case.

At least it's not your throttle hand!

verdecalavera · Post by **verdecalavera** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:00 pm

Scooter Hoot wrote:Depends - high side is a lot worse if you're at a decent speed. Namely because that means you have your scooter or bike going in generally the same direction right behind you, and you might or might not come to a stop faster than your bike. After crashing, having a 300 lb hunk of metal run into you again tends to not be all that fun. Also it tends to mean that you went flying further before you hit whatever it is that slows you down - road, tree, car, w/e.

i hit a slick spot in the road as i came over a slight rise that eventually banks right. a lot of sediment comes off of the surounding hills when it rains(it had rained for about 4+ days straight). once i started to slide on the clay and water, i thought i couldn't brake very hard or i would slide out completely. in retrospect i might have been able to throttle back onto a dry spot in the road, if i had done it immediately. initially i thought no big deal, but i eventually ran out of real estate. i tapped the curb in the next turn with my front then back tires. although i had been braking for a considerable distance, i was still going probably 10-15 mph when i hit the curb. i came off the curb still upright. i thought i might be alright, until my front wheel turned completely left and my back wheel swung completely to the right. the scooter more or less stopped instantly as it went sideways and eventually fell forward. the momentum sent me forward, several feet through the air, then onto my left fist, then shoulder then my right knee, etc. the front wheel turning completely left was either due to me braking hard as i fishtailed off of the curb or the wheel itself sliding in a heavier amount of clay. in the end my boots had a lot of clay on them as did the wheels and the scooter. i agree the high side is no way to go, as they tell you in the motorcycle safety class. it's amazing how fast it all happened yet i can see my reactions in slow motion. in the end a little less speed and a little more attention might have made all the difference to recognize the situation and avoid it. fortunately for me, i have a chance to do those things. cheers.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:05 pm

Nice recap, verdecalavera. Glad you'll get another chance! The one time I went down, I ended up rolling and broke my right wrist.

broke · Post by **broke** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:12 pm

thanks for posting the follow up verdecalavera.

did you have to type that one-handed?!?!?

verdecalavera · Post by **verdecalavera** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:31 pm

broke wrote:did you have to type that one-handed?!?!?

i'm a hack job at typing anyway. i did it with three fingers from my good hand.

louie · Post by **louie** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:05 pm

verdecalavera wrote:
broke wrote:did you have to type that one-handed?!?!?
i'm a hack job at typing anyway. i did it with three fingers from my good hand.

and you have so much to offer. i know you miss riding but your sweet little old mustang must be getting you around pretty well.

verdecalavera · Post by **verdecalavera** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:39 pm

louie wrote:
verdecalavera wrote:i know you miss riding but your sweet little old mustang must be getting you around pretty well.
i'm driving around in the golf. one arm and no power steering in tha old mustang is a tougher deal(mainly only when parking). that beautiful relic took on some water in the last day or so, i gotta figure that out this weekend. meanwhile the wife is toolin' around in it like she's a red hot mama retroed back to the 60's.

Kaos · Post by **Kaos** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:45 pm

verdecalavera wrote:
louie wrote:
verdecalavera wrote:i know you miss riding but your sweet little old mustang must be getting you around pretty well.
i'm driving around in the golf. one arm and no power steering in tha old mustang is a tougher deal(mainly only when parking). that beautiful relic took on some water in the last day or so, i gotta figure that out this weekend. meanwhile the wife is toolin' around in it like she's a red hot mama retroed back to the 60's.
Heh, that sounds familiar. Most of my rides are manual steering.
Try driving a 1970 bigblock Plymouth 9 passenger wagon around with manual everything

verdecalavera · Post by **verdecalavera** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:08 pm

i'm working up ways to rig a joystick to the scoot so i can drive that one handed. i'm thinkin' something like this hooked up someway:

i'll probably have my other hand back before i get it figured out.

gearhead · Post by **gearhead** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:29 pm

let us know how it turns out!

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:59 pm

verdecalavera wrote:i'm working up ways to rig a joystick to the scoot so i can drive that one handed. i'm thinkin' something like this hooked up someway:

i'll probably have my other hand back before i get it figured out.

Cool! What kind of weapon will fire when you push the red button?

firecat · Post by **firecat** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:20 pm

1. Which Buddy (50/125) was crashed? Color?
2. Was the crash due to rider error? What time of day did it occur?
3. Could the crash have been avoided? What will you do differently next time?
4. Was the rider injured? What type of protective gear or clothing was the rider wearing?
5. What was the damage to the Buddy?
6. Cost of repairs, if any?
7. How much (weeks, months, years) riding experience does the rider have? Does the rider have a motorcycle permit, license or neither?
8. Had the rider completed the MSF course?
9. Was the rider the scooter's owner?
10. How fast was the rider going?
11. How far was the rider from home?

1. Buddy 150, Pamplona
2. Possibly - around 2:30 pm
3. Probably - I would not panic (my husband had just been rear-ended while on his scooter, and he was injured)
4. Yes, break in upper arm by shoulder
5. broken headlamp cover, broken handlebar cover, scrapes and such on right side.
6. $1180, covered by other party's insurance
7. A little over a year, motorcycle license for 1 year
8. No
9. Yes
10. Was stopped
11. Approximately 7 miles

Skootz Kabootz · Post by **Skootz Kabootz** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:36 pm

Wait. Were you BOTH in accidents Firecat??? How terrible. Really glad things were not any worse. Speedy recovery to both of you.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:04 pm

Firecat, sorry to hear of you and your hubby's crash. You said he had "just" been rear ended? Was it two separate accidents?

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:30 am

Sorry to hear that you were hurt and your Buddy was banged up. I could not tell what happened from your posting. Did you stop because of your husband's accident and then someone rear-ended you?

JasonH · Post by **JasonH** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:07 am

has anyone not been in an accident? lol where'd that who hasnt crashed thread go, this is getting depressing! On the other hand this thread is the most valuable source of safety information i've ever seen. And a very strong motivator for wearing All gear All the Time even in summer!

gearhead · Post by **gearhead** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:36 am

JasonH wrote:has anyone not been in an accident? lol where'd that who hasnt crashed thread go, this is getting depressing! On the other hand this thread is the most valuable source of safety information i've ever seen. And a very strong motivator for wearing All gear All the Time even in summer!

i have never been in an accident

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