Rollers and belt
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Rollers and belt
I am relatively new to the scooter world. Last August I bought a new 2012 170i and I put 20-30 miles a day on traveling to and from work.
Today, I brought it in to my local Genuine dealer with 2200 miles on it with a complaint about the clutch. Over the last two hundred miles I noticed that during acceleration from a stop, it felt like the scooter would lurch a bit and the problem began to become more and more pronounced. The dealer diagnosed the problem as worn rollers and replaced them, the belt and the gasket.
They covered it under warranty but nobody could seem to answer the question if this was a normal to replace these parts after 2000 miles. Seems very early to have to replace these parts. Anyone have any thoughts?
Today, I brought it in to my local Genuine dealer with 2200 miles on it with a complaint about the clutch. Over the last two hundred miles I noticed that during acceleration from a stop, it felt like the scooter would lurch a bit and the problem began to become more and more pronounced. The dealer diagnosed the problem as worn rollers and replaced them, the belt and the gasket.
They covered it under warranty but nobody could seem to answer the question if this was a normal to replace these parts after 2000 miles. Seems very early to have to replace these parts. Anyone have any thoughts?
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Mine, at 5200mi, had been lurching a bit from a stop as well - felt like the transmission was 'grabbing' a bit too early. I took it in for another issue (turned out my stock exhaust was cracked), but an inspection showed that fortunately the belt and rollers were wearing OK, and a simple blow-out of accumulated dust was enough to smooth things back out again.
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Nope, Not riding WOT very often. Mostly riding on streets in town going 30 to 40 mph.skully93 wrote:if it happens again in a short period of time, I would wonder if there isn't something amiss in the variator.
Also, are you riding WOT for long periods of time? MAYBE that could cause flat spots, but they're generally pretty tough.
At least it was taken care of under warranty.
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hooligans belt, and roller weights
Does anyone know the hooligans belt size and roller weights size and gram weight. Have a service manual but can not find this information anywhere. I even e mailed genuine, but no response. Thank you for your time.
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Re: hooligans belt, and roller weights
Other than the FI, the Hooligans engine/transmission looks exactly like the Blur 150. If so, then the stock roller specs should be: size - 18x14mm, weight - 12 gm. The belt is: 812x20x28, Bando p/n CP125. Your belt should have these markings printed on it.wick1027 wrote:Does anyone know the hooligans belt size and roller weights size and gram weight. Have a service manual but can not find this information anywhere. I even e mailed genuine, but no response. Thank you for your time.
Of course, double check these specs with your Hooligan before ordering parts.
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Lot's of stop-and-go will give you flat spots as the rollers are moving back and forth more.
Next time you need new ones, go with Dr. Pulley sliders. They last longer and have smoother acceleration. The shape is designed to slide back and forth without having to roll.
2K seems early. I would blow the belt dust out of my CVT every oil change and every-other oil change I used to take the variator off and clean all the parts with brake cleaner. I tried to avoid removing the clutch for cleaning since that flat nut is a PITA to deal with.
Next time you need new ones, go with Dr. Pulley sliders. They last longer and have smoother acceleration. The shape is designed to slide back and forth without having to roll.
2K seems early. I would blow the belt dust out of my CVT every oil change and every-other oil change I used to take the variator off and clean all the parts with brake cleaner. I tried to avoid removing the clutch for cleaning since that flat nut is a PITA to deal with.
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You're right about that. I customized a socket for this job by grinding down a standard socket to eliminate the chamfer around the perimeter of the opening in order to maximize the contact area between the socket and nut. Works great and doesn't slip off of the nut.Tocsik wrote:Lot's of stop-and-go will give you flat spots as the rollers are moving back and forth more.
Next time you need new ones, go with Dr. Pulley sliders. They last longer and have smoother acceleration. The shape is designed to slide back and forth without having to roll.
2K seems early. I would blow the belt dust out of my CVT every oil change and every-other oil change I used to take the variator off and clean all the parts with brake cleaner. I tried to avoid removing the clutch for cleaning since that flat nut is a PITA to deal with.
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Re: hooligans belt, and roller weights
Isn't the Hooligan a 170? Is it a Blur engine with bigger jugs?babblefish wrote:Other than the FI, the Hooligans engine/transmission looks exactly like the Blur 150.
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Re: Rollers and belt
Sometimes rollers develop a flat spot and stop "rolling." Instead they slide on the flat spot and wear out in a hurry. We've heard of that happening at much lower miles than what you report. It happened to my Vespa in 3000 miles. The rollers were completely worn flat, hadn't been rolling in 500 miles at least, so they were trashed at 2500 miles or less.ZootownScoot wrote:The dealer diagnosed the problem as worn rollers and replaced them, the belt and the gasket.
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Yes-they will work in the stock vario, just get them in the same size (16x13 for example-NOT sure what is in the Buddy) and pay attention that you install them correct. My friend swears by them and thats all he uses, I tend to get a weird oscillation from them. Some came with the Buddy 125 that I bought used but I gave them to a friend for his Vino 125, so I cant easily verify the roller size. Give them a try, you may like them. Dr Pulley ones are the best, but you can get off brand copies (ScooterNinja) for far less $-just make sure to weigh them before installing the off brands just to make sure they are what they say gram wise on the box. I also us a torque spring bearing for the rear clutch from NCY and a kevlar drive belt from Scooter Works to reduce the wear and tear as we (wife and I) are hard on scooters.
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Re: hooligans belt, and roller weights
AFAIK, the 170 engine is just a 150 with a bigger bore. One jug, it's a single cylinder engine.Syd wrote:Isn't the Hooligan a 170? Is it a Blur engine with bigger jugs?babblefish wrote:Other than the FI, the Hooligans engine/transmission looks exactly like the Blur 150.
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