Modern Buddy

Apologies if I'm repeating a thread (couldn't find one in the search engine) however I was surprised I couldn't find a kick vs 170i discussion given they are close in price point.

I'm looking at either option. The main benefit I see to the Kick is the addition of a rear disc brake and dual rear shocks, while the benefit of the 170i is the additional zoom from more cc's.

Anyone have an opinion/impression either way?

Thanks!

Don't forget 12" aluminum wheels as well.
I'd get the 170i for, as you say, additional cc's and all the great things that come with that. The quality of the Buddy is beyond question as well.

I'm a newbie so I don't know, but I went with the 170i because of the fuel injection and additional cc's. I do like the look of the kick though.

Agreed about the looks. However, looks and deception are closely linked, especially with Chinese goods.

GregsBuddy wrote:Don't forget 12" aluminum wheels as well.
I'd get the 170i for, as you say, additional cc's and all the great things that come with that. The quality of the Buddy is beyond question as well.

I thought they both have 10" wheels?

I stand corrected: Both have 10" wheels.

And both are fuel injected. The 170 Buddy doesn't really run away from the other Buddys, so I doubt it runs away from a Kick. Surely one of the Kick owners here has some input on that.

I've certainly never, you know, raced a 170, but the fuel injection on the kick is a second generation, so more power than you'd think despite the lower cc's. I honestly think the 170i and the kick are only about a half hp apart, Kick is ten pounds lighter on paper. It also has a long flat seat, not contoured like the 50/125/150/170. Plus, the Kick looks cooler (in my opinion).

I will say that the under-foot fuel storage is kind of a bummer if you're super tall, it raises the floor two inches or so.

So, neeeearly just as powerful, lighter, dual rear shocks, rear disc brake, and 100$ cheaper MSRP, but slightly higher floorboards.

I'm happy with mine

Any others to consider outside of kick and 170i?

Seems Buddy Kick's are very hard to find where 170i a bit more easier. I can find 2016/2017 new Kicks at dealers, but not used.

Ahh, true. Didn't realize you were looking at used. The Kick is pretty new, most people who bought one probably still have theirs.

gregbuddy wrote:Any others to consider outside of kick and 170i?

For sure. The Genuine Hooligan 170i. It's a grown-up Genuine Buddy 170i.

Bill in Seattle
'12 Buddy 170i Oxford Green
'14 Hooligan 170i Matte Green

What’s the big diff between hooligan and 170i ?

From what I have seen and read, the Hooligan and the Buddy 170 share the same engine but the lighter weight of the Buddy makes it marginally quicker and a bit higher top end speed. The Hooligan is very stable and a more comfortable ride due to the longer wheelbase and 12" wheels. The Hooligan would probably be a better set up for someone riding pillion than the Buddy (slightly longer seat pan) and the more macho looks are a plus for the Hooligan in my opinion (YMMV). The used Hooligan I had was great and I would still be riding it today if I hadn't needed the money more than the scooter six months ago. When my financial circumstances change, my wife and I may go get a pair of Hooligans.

We test rode the barcalounger, I mean Hooligan when it first came out. Seemed to be a little soft off the line and more of a relaxed version of the Buddy 150's we owned at the time or the 170's of today. We know this will appeal to some riders, just not us.

Not saying that is bad, it just did not impress us so we stayed with what we were riding. We were looking for more speed, not a casual ride. From what we have seen, they hold up as well as any other Genuine product.

MYSCTR wrote:We test rode the barcalounger, I mean Hooligan when it first came out. Seemed to be a little soft off the line and more of a relaxed version of the Buddy 150's we owned at the time or the 170's of today. We know this will appeal to some riders, just not us.

Not saying that is bad, it just did not impress us so we stayed with what we were riding. We were looking for more speed, not a casual ride. From what we have seen, they hold up as well as any other Genuine product.

I would like the Hooligan even better if it was bumped up to maybe the Blur 220 engine or somewhere in the 250 range. That would be perfect.

Good feedback- thanks. Any idea on max weight one can carry with two people on Hooligan/125/170i buddy? Info is not listed on Genuine's website. I know the more weight the more struggle up hills for sure. Thanks.

170i = ~235 #'s.
I'd love to own a Blur 220 but not to replace the 170i.

I can't believe no one has mentioned that the kick is a 4 valve. The local dealer says kick and 170 are very comparable in power. The kick engine is very different from a regular buddy engine. The cooling fan is larger. The engine is bottom mounted. The cylinder and head are not interchangeable with a regular buddy.

I guess the kick would get a bit better MPG if that matters. Depends on fuel tank size for each on total miles per tank as well. Seems both are good choices.