Talk about overreach

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:30 am

When dealers gripe about government overreaching with their B.S.. This is what we are talking about.

http://www.cyclenews.com/2017/01/articl ... e-dispute/

RoaringTodd · Post by **RoaringTodd** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:19 pm

It's because we're such beefcakes...

*rimshot*

Frustrating and disgusting. I can see the need to regulate an industry that puts millions of engines on the road... automotive/truck.

However, does a small 300cc 4 stroke water cooled engine do that much damage to the air quality? Overreach is right.

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:55 pm

You guys do know that this is a trade dispute about shipping beef from the US into Europe. The US has threatened to retaliate if the Europeans don't drop their ban on beef treated with growth hormone. I know that doesn't seem important to us admirers of European scooters and motorcycles. On the other hand, I suppose we'd feel differently if we were beef ranchers or lived in a ranching community. (Now, personally I'd prefer to do without the growth hormone here, but that is a discussion for a different time.......)

k1dude · Post by **k1dude** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:21 pm

If the Europeans don't want growth hormone in their beef, why don't we sell them beef without growth hormone instead of implementing a retaliative and punitive tariff?

The customer is always right. So let's sell them what they want. That's true free trade.

I'm all for fair trade. What we're doing doesn't seem fair in reaction to an arguably fair and healthy policy from the EU.

viney266 · Post by **viney266** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:57 pm

Free trade would be a glorious thing. No government interference in business...A boy can dream.

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:01 pm

Fans of European scooters and small motorcycles may soon find their concerns eclipsed as a bigger conflict takes shape. On Monday the President-elect threatened European automakers with a 35% tax on foreign-made vehicles sold in the US.

k1dude · Post by **k1dude** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:54 am

Dooglas wrote:Fans of European scooters and small motorcycles may soon find their concerns eclipsed as a bigger conflict takes shape. On Monday the President-elect threatened European automakers with a 35% tax on foreign-made vehicles sold in the US.

Only those made in Mexico for the US market.

If they made the vehicles in the US for the US market, there'd be no tariff.

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:19 pm

k1dude wrote:Only those made in Mexico for the US market.

His proposal specifically included vehicles assembled in Europe for the US market as well. In fact there was nothing to exempt vehicles assembled in Japan, Korea, or China for the US market either. I'm not arguing a particular position - just observing it would be a pretty big deal with undoubted trade pushback from affected nations.

JettaKnight · Post by **JettaKnight** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:29 pm

For a bit of history, check out the "chicken tax".

k1dude · Post by **k1dude** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:50 pm

Dooglas wrote:
k1dude wrote:Only those made in Mexico for the US market.
His proposal specifically included vehicles assembled in Europe for the US market as well. In fact there was nothing to exempt vehicles assembled in Japan, Korea, or China for the US market either. I'm not arguing a particular position - just observing it would be a pretty big deal with undoubted trade pushback from affected nations.

Not so.

"I would tell BMW that if you are building a factory in Mexico and plan to sell cars to the USA, without a 35 percent tax, then you can forget that," Trump said.

"Under pressure to deliver on campaign promises to revive U.S. industrial jobs, Trump has turned his fire on automakers that use low-cost Mexican plants to serve the U.S. market. He has also warned Japan's Toyota it could be subject to a "big border tax" if it builds its Corolla cars for the U.S. market at a planned factory in Mexico."

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 2fd23.html

GregsBuddy · Post by **GregsBuddy** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:25 pm

A "small 300cc" engine can pollute in a very big way.

Dooglas · Post by **Dooglas** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:11 pm

k1dude wrote:Not so.

In fairness, President Trump says quite a few things - and they aren't always consistent.
He has threatened all US manufacturers with a 35% excise tax on any vehicles assembled overseas and sold in the US.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-repea ... 1480868360
He has focused on unequal auto trade with Asia and suggested retaliatory tariffs.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldunn ... 15c8545a48
And most recently he has made similar comments about the German auto industry (specifically BMW and M-B) noting that very few American made vehicles are imported into Germany.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2628778/g ... to-office/
Where does all this lead? Perhaps your crystal ball is clearer than mine.

k1dude · Post by **k1dude** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:11 pm

Dooglas wrote:
k1dude wrote:Not so.
In fairness, President Trump says quite a few things - and they aren't always consistent.
He has threatened all US manufacturers with a 35% excise tax on any vehicles assembled overseas and sold in the US.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-repea ... 1480868360
He has focused on unequal auto trade with Asia and suggested retaliatory tariffs.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldunn ... 15c8545a48
And most recently he has made similar comments about the German auto industry (specifically BMW and M-B) noting that very few American made vehicles are imported into Germany.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2628778/g ... to-office/
Where does all this lead? Perhaps your crystal ball is clearer than mine.

Being a free trade proponent, I have no problem with retaliatory tariffs. Free trade isn't free unless it's also fair trade. The Europeans and Asians have always had steep tariffs on US vehicles. A like tariff would only be fair. If you want free trade, eliminate your tariffs.

The 35% tariff in your own links is for US manufacturers importing foreign made US brands.

wheelbender6 · Post by **wheelbender6** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:28 am

I would call the proposed tarriff "under-intellect", rather than overreach.